@Erpel My union just is very uhm its there. But I won't complain to loudly since I am a public servant. But they did cut that benefit while saying they "spread it out over the year"

@Erpel Me who does not get a christmas bonus

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Not Japan-related, but since we all need a distraction from The Horrors, Takaya Suzuki points out a study that examined 408 sleeping cats and found the majority (65%) curl leftwards.

I'm not sure how useful this information is, but...it's yours now.

#japan #unseenjapan

@dnddeutsch wobei das fehlen dieser Signal deutlich macht das Scraping nicht sein soll. Der default beim copyright ist eigentlich sowieso ein opt-out im sinne dass man Lizenzen erteilen muss um auf das Copyright zu verzichten.

Das problem ist insgesamt ja eher dass die KI-scraper sich einfach alles nehmen was sie bekommen könnten aber eine Urheberrechtsschranke (im Sinne vom Fair Use) ungeklärt ist bzw momentan bei Gericht verhandelt wird. Siehe auch die Klage momentan von Disney/Universal gg. OpenAI

Und tbh auch wenn man diese Flags setzt wird sowieso weiter ignoriert. Das würde wohl auch bei No-AI flags der Fall sein.

Was ich selbst nicht weiß ist wie das Urheberrecht zu explitem Auschluss von Bestimmten Rechten (nicht für AI-Datasets) gegen Fair Use steht. Also was gewinnt Fair Use oder die Lizenz-Klausel?

Ansonsten ist CC ja offen für erweiterungen. Sinnvoll wäre es sicher wenn man verschidene modifikationen macht ala Scraping-ok oder nicht okay. Im Sinne einer CC-BY-NOAI oder so

CC selbst könnte danm höchstens noch mit einer Sammelklage den Creatorn helfen. Selber kann das CC sonst nicht klagen. Wenn ich ja was unter CC veröffentliche bin ja der Lizensar und müsste entspr. selbst klagen

@dnddeutsch wobei man die CC-signals immer noch setzen müsste damit diese gelten oder han ich was missverstanden?

@volpeon I can offer you Aqua in these trying timea

@skaphle (I will just untag some people here if thats okay. Not really wanting to spam their mentions if not needed)

I am with you that it is illegal to just take images from somewhere and putting into a dataset is (in most cases) illegal. As I outlined with the general opt-out nature of copyright. That is until a court decides otherwise.

Enforcing it is obviously is the problem. Disney and Universal are fighting OpenAI in court over this issue right now. Will be an interesing case to follow.

Scraping in and of itself can be still fair use btw. Its more a matter of how you use the data. Doing this for scientific for the research of AI in a scientific setting might be deemed legal (i.e because scientific is considered fair use broadly)

If openAI can clear that mark I dunno. But likely not since they are using stuff commercially not just to research behaviour of AI and stuff. But thats ultimately the job of courts to decide.

As I said as well i dunno if an explicit prohibition in a license can beat fair use or not. If yes the NoAI-tag might proof useful as it makes for a clear against thr alternative of fighting over fair use or not. Making that tag machine-readable / embedded also makes sure you cannot claim.you did not know as an AICompany.

But as I said I dunno if thats correct or not. If fair use beats that and OpenAI somehow gets FairUse through we are fucked anyway

@epsi Shorts are required attire!

@Linebyline @davidrevoy @ms_zwiebel now what I cannot tell you is if such a explicit ban of the use of AI is stronger than fair use.

I would think no since not even the most restrictive default-state of "all rights reserved" cannot do that.

I might be wrong here, I only do tax-law for a living not IP-law xD. So you are welcome to educate me.

@Linebyline @ms_zwiebel @davidrevoy There is some flaw in your reasoning. Not opting-out does not mean you opted-in. That would be very weird.

Normally opt-out is really shitty since companies love to to assume you consented to something. Bad practice in software in general, also why for example the EU stepped in with GDPR. To make clear that “no assuming consent is not good enough or allowed” (within reason there is a lot to the GDPR so please excuse this gros simplification here)

Copyright works on a different basis. It is opt-out by default but here it works in favor of creatives. It is generally assumed in copyright that unless stated otherwise you keep all the right to your creation to yourself and no one is allowed to use it in any capacity* without your explicit consent (the famous “all rights reserved”)

Now copyright is a highly legislated field but I am pretty sure this general assumption is still the norm to this day.

There is obvs. the big elephant in the room here called “ fair use”. Its a whole can of worms which is very complicated tbh. The general terms would be this (in the US):

“the fair use of a copyrighted work, […] for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.”

But if AI meets any of these critieria is a legislative question. Also AI-Use will involve IP-law as well.

So no I don’t think the addition of an “No AI” would make it a free-for-all to use any images that don’t have the tag for AI. Copyright itself is so much opt-out its the reason why creative-commons even exists.

without CC I would need to assume that every image I see on the internet is considered “all rights reserved” and if I can’t claim fair use I would need to message the artist and ask for permission first. Gets tiring fast.

Creative Commons is a legal framework where artists can license a broad set conditions to x-people with a common license.

So generally I think it is a good Idea that CC adds more signals to its system just so its easier for artists to express their will in a legally binding and legally-approved way. There shall be discussion on what that entails.

Also there is the technical aspect. How do I tell AI this. Its not reading the webpage like a human would looking for license info. So you would need to find a way to tag the image with say CC-NOAI in machine readable form and make it in a way its very parasitic and cannot be stripped from the image without making it useless. I would then still scrape all images but toss-out these that have such tags. But that assumes no ill-intent on the side of the creator of the AI. Which was shown we cannot trust on. But how to enforce this.

CC cannot really help you out here since its the individuals matter to protect their copyright in court. CC could only maybe collect such cases and make some sort of combined legal case…

@epsi You need the shorts. Epsi leggy show-off!

@aetios time to build harder game with different character-set

@NeonPurpleStar oh yeah tech-bro shit can be exhausting. There is still good stuff I guess. The new fairphone looks quite neat

@aetios this you?

RE: https://indieweb.social/@xenodium/114743917635198221

@steph well I mean having to ride a bike during bad weather also is not what I would desire tbh.

I mean I could generally bike to work as well. Its not longer or shorter than taking the train. But riding 14km in rain sucks hard. Also I am less sweaty when I arrive at work...

Yeah I could just change. But still there is more laundry to do as well.

Its fine in my books if people atleast take public instead of a car.

Fun aside. Germans are the biggest Buyers of e-bikes in Europe

@steph @iro_miya Bikes come in many different sizes and are avialiable easily atleast

@steph As it should be. Better public transport would be awesome, but shafting cars is good.

@steph @iro_miya everyone can learn it. Its just a matter of practice, some balance and maybe some scratches.

Pretty sure miya can as well. Also skill you literally cannot forget once learned! Very useful.

Bonus: You can ride around on cute bike