@enigmatico There is a law against yeah but good luck trying to prosecute someone on the basis of being a traitor. Basically you need evidence that someone is a spy.

there is obvs. high treason but with that you are in MAGA jan 6 territory.

FUD is real witg AfD but also spite I guess. Like... People that would be actively harmed by the Nazis would vote AfD

And with the ones who can actively do something (get that petition going rhat will take years to resolve anyway) doing nothing and the AfD looming to take control of a state it is easy to just wanna give up.

You reason with people and try your best and nothing really changes. That would crush me. I also know that the AfD get knocked down every once in a while and the protest did really dent their projections.

The one good thing that projections on outcomes are just that and the nazis can't actually get a foothold when it matters even on small scale. AfD often loses elections for mayor.

Then again the conservatives don't really by jumping over every far-right stick they are hold. IT DOES NOT WORK DEAR CDU.

@enigmatico To give you gist. Our constitution obvs has stuff in place to get such parties outright banned.

And yes certain stuff that is associated with fascists is forbidden. But being (even extremely) right is not. Within reason obvs. Courts already have found stuff the AfD wants to be illegal. But there is a difference between just wanting illegal stuff and actually being able to do it.

The current political landscape is complicated in that question. We had such a court on banning a party once. Famous NPD, today known as "Der Dritte Weg". Court ruled them to want illegal things generally but did not outright ban them. On the reasoning that they are to small to reach any of their goals anyway.

So the politians are now chickening on the question of whether they should or should not even petition the courts to even check if AfD shall be deamed illegal. They are to frigthened to loose and " legitimize" the AfD.

A valid concern when our Verfassungsschutz can't even get the evidence to together to give the afD the moneker of (basically) far-righters that are againt the constitution and hold that ib court.

The next problem is who can petition for such a check. Either Bundesregierung (the executive with Friedrich Merz at the helm), the Bundestag (lawmaker and legislative) and Bundesrat (2nd Chamber of legislative that has members of each state of germany) can initiate such a petition to the court.

Merz will never do it. Bundestag has no majority to do it that would get such a petition going and Bundesrat could do it generally soon-ish. But there are still some questions because of elections.

Sorry if its not the easiest to ubderstand post. Its hard getting this accross in english

As for why the AfD is so "popular" its populism. They often fail to even be considered where stuff matters. though in Saxony-Anhalt.... These Nazis are at 38% which might give them a majority in seats in election this yeat

@enigmatico The very short answer is: its very complicated to get rid of a party (for good reason) and conservatives cock-blocking every attempt at atleast trying to get the courts to check them closely.

Also saying there is no mobilization against these Nazis is a disservice to every organazation fighting their ass off to keep nazis off. Its just a very hard fight especially on social media

Something like the PRÜF-demonstrations, the Petition that is with Bundesrat, the Mass-Demos against AfD (and Friedrich Merz) last year.