@Johann150 @luap42 Ich brauch halt keine Gerichte für ne Vollstreckung!

@luap42 @Johann150 joa ich hab da meine eigenen Befugnisse no need fot BVwVG

@luap42 @Johann150 Im Steuerrecht kann ich alles :P Vor allem weil es hier nicht um die Beitreibung einer Geldforderung geht

@luap42 @Johann150 NEEEEEERDS

@Johann150 @luap42 kann mir also kaum vorstellen dass das sich bei Zwangsgeldern unterscheiden sollte da beides auf die Handlung, Duldung oder Unterlassung einer bestimmten Sache zielt.

@Johann150 @luap42 sollte sicherlich relativ ähnlich sein vom Anwendungsgebiet. Die vollstreckung solcher Zwangsgelder ist ja zivilrecht more or less

@Johann150 @luap42 oh okay da wüsste ich tatsächlich was sache ist. Sowas ist beim Finanzamt auch oft ein Ding

@Johann150 @luap42 Ich hab Steuerrecht studiert und kein Jura. Das war mehr so ein Seitenhieb gegen Leute die sich für Verwaltungsrecht interessieren

@Johann150 sickos: YES

@mametsuko @rick *notes in calender*

@mametsuko its mames birthday (soon)?

@SuperDicq @forestcat @subnetter I dunno the specifics on that workshop but still it might be a valid thing to have workshops where no cis-men are present. Fears and anxiety exist you know.

Programming and PC stuff is a very male-dominated field. So having a few workshops that target flinta only is valuable since they are marginalized in the field in general.

Is not the nicest thing not include you in this specific example? Maybe. But there may be a justification.

Like having other people be able to take part in a workshop when they otherwise could not.

I don't see this as hostile to you espcially but maybe as a "having something for a subset of people as well"

And again I dunno if its worth to die on that hill. Just because some of the workshops may not be open to you.

@fristi why so angry?

@fristi i could use some lekker tosti

@SuperDicq @forestcat @subnetter

Mate like I am sorry what are you even going on about?

In your place I would really not choose to die on that hill really. Not even as a cis-male myself (and occasional crossdresser). Some empathy is really needed for this discussion.

Not a woman myself but listening to women it gets kinda obvious why spaces need to exist that do not include cis-men (no matter how nice me and you may be). The problem is not me or you individually (very likely).

Patriarchy is really bad women and men alike. Like Hell I do not fit into your male stereotype really but still am better off than a women.

I also wish for less spaces that need to exclude people for their own safety or well-being. But as things stand being a women in public is more dangerous on average. May I remind of all the victimblaming, the cat-calling and other shitty stuff patriarchy enables toxic men to do.

Have enough of that shit I can totally understand why stuff like womens-only gyms are a thing.

There are people in these spaces that feel like they have to be on guard constantly because men are around. Which does not need to equate of hating all men btw. They can present themselves very different and be themselves in those places.

These spaces need to exist since society is kinda shit. And rather than bash your head against that the energy should rather be used to fight the shitty thing in the first place: Patriarchy and all its consequences.

And being so assertive to say to demand access to that space is very much toxic behaviour in itself.

There is an open question of how trans-men are handled in these spaces. I cannot tell you how they handle that but since a T is in the Acronym I guess they be welcome?

Also likely no one will press you about being trans or not likely. Thats inappropriate behaviour but so is invading the spaces when you are cis-man. Just don't be dick bro.

Also people having their own spaces does not take anything away from you realistically as well. You are framing this as if its the only thing availiable. If it is stop moaning about it and inspire the change you want to see in the world. Offer some queer group or something as well if there is none.

But please don't harass women in such spaces.

@rick hast wohl net genug von Zügen bekommen

@steph Is it that bad? 🙈

@subnetter
@forestcat
@SuperDicq

The argument of "not all of the men in that statistic are cis" does not really work. Most of the offenders will identify as cis-men for sure. Just because thats how statistics work. There are sooooo many more cis-men in the world than there are inter-men or non-binaries. So it is in total very much likely that most of the offenders might be cis-men.

Now this is not a provable fact but very likely indeed since I don't think these things are even considered in criminal statistics.

Regardless of the whole "not all men are like this"

Generally when you talk to people that are flinta you will certainly have to understand why they would want a space that is not inclusive of cis-men. Experiences are wildly different and obvs. valid. So the question for a person that does not feel comfy around men is "Can I take part in this or not"? Be it because of trauma or whatever else. These people need space for them and them only.

And tbh I dunno if playing victim as a cis-man is the right play here. There are spaces where we are not wanted. So be it. Live with it. Usually there are reasons for that. Safe Spaces are needed.

and I think that asserting based on this restriction that they are againtst you personally is skewed at best.

There are other things where I or you can take part. A generally queer space or thing. If there is not one at the camp make one. Just make it open to everyone.

There are many other things where a cis-man will be no problem whatsoever anyway. Many spaces which are male-dominated or exclusive.

Male-priviledge is real even for chaos I am pretty sure. more than enough things for you take part in no problem.

@subnetter @SuperDicq @forestcat I have heard the stories sadly yes. I was going about that specific community on reddit.

But yes I am aware there is snobbery and exclusion going around in the comm as well. Talking about wearing only brand and looking on people who do not for example.

Though I am pretty sure you would generally find most people would be for not allowing bigots to spew hate. If your comm does not want to do that you might wanna consider joining different events tbh.

But if you want to talk about what happened and what you heard or had to experience I am all ears to listen as well. Getting different perspectives is important. You can obvs. shoot me a DM If you do not wanna have all that public as well.

And if you don't wanna talk about its fine as well