@epsi A yeah that thread is kinda gold tbh. DON'T YOU SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE LEAVING MASTODON?!

Had a semi-interesting discussion there as well about journos trying to establish the fedi as a further channel for their stuff.

And man analytics really kill the deal here seemingly. The fediverse seems to be hard track in terms of click-through.

I have an NGO seem use a simple "utm_source=mstdn" in the URLs they share to get a hint where users might be coming from.

I was met with "this does not work" since people on fedi tend to use extensions that remove these things and stuff.

And also google analytics seems to (atleast in the past) have no real way of tracking stuff like traffic from the fediverse that is becoming the problem to actually measure the reach that the links have. capitalism sure is fun!

But tbh (as I also wrote there) its so much a sign of "skill issue" on the side of publication as well as well as a bit "learned helplesness" and cost cutting. Imagine having actual specialists in IT and marketing on your teams in publication and not having the journo needing to do all that ontop which they are not qualified for.

But capitalism is what it is. But I kinda like the idea of fedi being kinda inherently incompatible with "metrics".

Its what makes this place different and unique from the usual tech-bro algo-driven social media stuff. People instead of consumers a little bit.

motivation

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@vozercozer Just your most normal ragebait I gues... Just not watch such videos and move on

@puniko oh look cute wood bunny

@pixx @spiegelmama @JMMaok that is an obvious flaw with unintrusive tracking but so be it. Never said it was the most reliable method anyway.

Though I would argue thats more of a "desktop browser"-problem.

As much more traffic is mobile even on fedi pretty sure this might be less of a problem than it might seem?

But you will surely have to do more work to determine if fedi is "worth it" or not, like looking at other forms of "engagement", like comments, boosts and favs as well.

Like doing actual analytics work.

In the end I don't know too much about the professional side of this anyway

@snow Drowning them alcohol seemed to have worked. please not make it a habit. But you seemed to have enjoyed yourself!

Maybe you need some sort of "Snow has fun and people like her" corkboard at home.

Like taking pics with your friends you meet there, print them and have the other person write something on the back if they want?

I know it reminds me all the time that people care about me

@JMMaok @spiegelmama It is very much a skill issue. But it is one that people running these sites made for themselves.

I agree that journalist does not need to know that stuff. Their job description is different. They are there to write stuff that people might find interesting. But cost-cutting made them do marketing as well. A vastly different skill tbh.

In a perfect world a publication would have a person doing marketing and knowing their shit as well as a technical person who knows off stuff like this.

Cutting costs does not help with this. as well as giving away control over such things to cloud providers and stuff. Learned helplessness.

The last paragraph is a networking (as in social context). But random fedi commenters should not be the way to do that. But visiting Foss-adj. Events and the more boring stuff like lectures is. Or just asking some other publication you see on fedi on what they do. Maybe you get an answer. I dunno.

(I hope this post does not come off as too brazen... not my intention)

@JMMaok @spiegelmama tbh it does not seem tooo hard to me to measure "engagement" atleast for the number a link is clicked (which could be used as a measure on how much "traffic" a presence on masto brings you).

You can do analytics like this in a very unintrusive way not even much needed.

A german publication and NGO that fights fake news uses a simple UTM parameter in the links they share here by attaching "utm_source=mstdn" which could give you a hint on where visitors are coming from when they click a link. Should not be to intrusive tbh. And analytics software can track this.

> by measuring traffic that mastodon drove to our site. Because this is a respectful space, there was no real way to track clicks, so I couldn't justify it

So tbh this seems more like a skill issue more than "there is no way to track this stuff". using a simple parameter is not intrusing privacy all that much tbh and may be deamed acceptable.

Obviously a discussion with the community of where the account posts if this is fine.

@kura @tortoc @straubi amazon basics spezi

Ich hätte noch was regionales. Schwarzwald Sprudel Cola-Mix

@snow This is the øl Schenker delivery van for confined spaces (patent pending)

@snow very cute indeed.

@Johann150 @foxhkron Kannst du mal probieren aber Neuwahl wird eher schwer

I was watching a JayzTwocents video just now and saw this case The Cooler Master Masterframe 360 (https://www.coolermaster.com/en-eu/products/masterframe-360-series/)

The comments were like: "This looks like a fancy coffee-machine"

Kinda think @snow would like having a coffee-machine *in* her PC.

(Please don't it sounds like a bad idea to mix... But the mad scientist in me wonders if you could a functional PC and coffee-machine in this...)

@Johann150 @foxhkron Gas-Kathi mag diesen Post nicht? SOFORT LÖSCHEN!

Yay heute mein Lieblingswort: SCHIENENERSATZVERKEHR

Immerhin war das ganze geplant und es ist Ostern daher sehr entspannt

Auch wenn ein Zug natürlich besser wäre

@snow @hugh only the best for øl telecom. Can't have that printer slacking off! Its here to work!

@grillchen @kaia grillchen being all "uwu" is the funnier option though.

Shy grillchen!

@lynn sure did lol sorry. "I could be" is what that should say lol