i should stop shitting on debian but i’m still not over that one time i tried to maintain a single package for it

@mia shitting on debian for being old is fair game though

@stefan being old isn’t even the problem, it’s being resistant to change

the sheer masochism it takes to put up with that kind of distro tooling in 2024

@mia @stefan debian is great if you really like the 2008 linux experience

@stefan like, iirc apt technically allows swapping out the dependency resolver for something else because they wanted to make that part modular but nobody has done that work

so other distros went ahead and got SAT solvers that work really well while apt still wants to remove your entire GUI if you’re running sid and the repos aren’t consistent (because they haven’t figured that out either)

@wizard @stefan opensuse’s package management had a SAT solver in 2008 so debian was already behind the curve by then

@wizard @mia I don't want to be reminded of the dark past no Thanks!.

@mia Oh yeah I remember apt being... Interesting with dependencies. Though if you are fancy you can get the same result with arch as well.

@mia May I ask what happened?

@june it was incredibly hard to do right because the tools are old and rusty. actually worse than making a windows installer package.