@epsi cause people who use matrix.org as their server encounter billions of encryption issues on a weekly basis and think the entire software is broken while a proper non-overloaded matrix server doesn't have these issues. Like literally any time I encounter someone having issues it is because they're on the main flagship server matrix.org

That's like registering on mastodon.social and then saying the fediverse would be bad and unmoderated

@epsi I use it every single day for love letters and don't encounter any issues ever

Last time I encountered issues was someone telling me they couldn't decrypt my messages and they were on matrix.org, so they switched to our universities' matrix server and have since never encountered any issues again as well

@epsi yeah, it really kinda just works. I heard administrating an instance would be a nightmare, I had a look into both xmpp and matrix administration and it honestly didn't really feel that much different 🥴

@epsi often failing in decryption for me

@epsi ah, right, the last complaint I hear all the time is that element is the only proper fully functioning client and that it's electron so it's bad and yeah I guess, fair

Still prefer it over the xmpp client situation personally 🙈

@epsi Its especially fun when you get blacklisted by .org and in turn other servers as well for an honest (but maybe dumb) mistake.

In the meantime I got on a shared blocklist so I am barred of any server that subscribes to said blocklist like the nixos-homeserver.

Also had more than a few encryption issues with .org exclusively in private chats. Otherwise matrix in my case in gestalt of conduit is very nice

@epsi i was on towo's server, sigsegv . cc

i say this literally, any 1 to 1 chat had failing encryption/decryption

@epsi ahhh yeah I guess the only real non-electron option here might be Telegram 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴

@isibell @epsi I'm not on matrix.org and I tend to have decryption issues when getting new device sessions

key sync is incredibly unreliable and new sessions more often then not just never end up getting the old messages visible

it's a mixed bag of issues, even when it mostly works fine

@pixel @epsi how many devices do you connect? I have three and the key sync never bullied me 🤔 are you verifying your new instances immediately? Cause otherwise it doesn't let you synchronise of course

@isibell @epsi well, it's not super frequent but consider:

* browser switching: new element session
* getting a new phone, or switching the mobile client: new session

and I do the whole verification stuff, QR code and symbol things, and it logs in the new device fine, but it doesn't share the keys reliably.

sometimes it works when the chat is open on both devices...and sometimes it doesn't.

@isibell @epsi to be fair, that's not too big of an issue for me

especially since I still have the history on at least one device

but I'm pretty sure that bad UX is part why Matrix is not sticking too well with non-technically versed people etc. etc.

@epsi (okay it's not really an option 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴)

@epsi I see lots of people talking about Matrix by the means of Element, but what about Beeper?

@epsi It's a new Matrix based app for grouping all your messaging platforms into one. It's from the people that made that Beeper Mini app that once tried to bring iMessage to Android.