New blog-post: "My brushstrokes against AI-art" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1007/my-brushstrokes-against-ai-art

(artwork: a concept art for Pepper&Carrot episode 39; Wasabi young.)

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@davidrevoy That last point about AI causing stronger styles is something I haven't really thought about but now can't stop thinking about

As a 3D artist, I can't really use stuff like brushstrokes, but I have noticed in the past year I've been moving towards more complex texturing and materials (which is unusual for the specific subject matter I work with)

I'm interested to see what larger scale effects we'll start to see over the next couple of years

@standingpad Same, I'm very curious.
Very interesting to read your feedback with the 3D point of view.

@davidrevoy Good write-up. As to your concluding question: I don't know, but it's a glorious portrait. That's the most important thing.

@felix 😊 Thank you.

@davidrevoy je crois qu'il y a une autre différence très importante : Tandis que le CGI statistique / "arte IA" ne fait que reproduire la distribution de probabilité de ses données d'entraînement, les artistes humains sont capables de réfléchir sur l'esthétique de leur style et le faire évoluer. Par exemple, le style animé japonais a beaucoup changé depuis les années 1960s où il a été conçu - si on avait utilisé du CGI statistique pour produire des nouveaux animés a cette époque, on n'aurait

@davidrevoy jamais eu la richesse des sous-types du style anime (je pense aux différences entre Astro Boy, Mononoke, Chihiro, Assasination Classroom etc.)

Et puisque vous vous avez posé la question que faire pour vous distinguer de l'arte IA, je voudrais vous dire quelque chose: Votre style est déjà unique et magnifique :) J'adore vraiment comment vous avez pris le style anime japonais comme base et ajouté des détail comme on ne les voit jamais dans l'animé classique. C'est déjà quelque chose

@davidrevoy que l'"IA" d'aujourd'hui ne peut pas faire du tout (et desolée si je parle du non-sens d'un point de vue artistique, je suis physicienne 😅)

@ammoniumperchlorate Merci pour les mots sympas sur mon style.

C'est sure que je suis également très curieux sur ce que l'intelligence collective des artistes vivants maintenant va produire en réaction à tout cela sur une échelle de 20 à 30 ans d'ici là.

@davidrevoy that article reminds me that I've heard similar things from photographers who show disdain to the heavily denoised and flat images coming from smartphones and say "noise is good, show more of that!". Which is I guess why some go for analog film b/c of that distinct structure!

Don't you think the next generation of AI art will have a "draw like David" mode? (and I'm not saying it like it's a good thing...)

@rfnix Interesting for photographer. Yes, I saw a trend toward analog film and also old glitchy or compressed low resolution first gen of digital camera.

You can already ask Stable Diffusion (or any using the LAION-5B database) "in David Revoy style". But the output will not really works as good as for other more famous artist 🙃.

A real "mod" like a special training? Maybe. If what I do will be of value at one point, I'm confident someone will do it (even if I disagree with it).

@davidrevoy merci ça me fait une belle photo de verrouillage de téléphone

@Guygoye Chouette, ça me fait plaisir que çe soit utilisé. La 'full resolution' est ici : https://www.peppercarrot.com/0_sources/0ther/sketchbook/hi-res/2023-12-02_young-wasabi_by-David-Revoy.jpg

@davidrevoy “These developments towards a stronger personal style in my art, though I am pained to admit it, come from the pressure of the existence of AI-generated images.

Should I be grateful for that?”

Be grateful you’ve risen to the challenge. No need to be grateful to the threat to your livelihood.

@trygvekalland Thank you. That's indeed a better way to look at it. 👍

@davidrevoy I've taken a number of Art History courses in college so far. It really is a historical trend for artists to become more "painterly" as they learn more. Titian started with perfectly smooth paintings, and by the end of his (very long) life he had brushstrokes everywhere. You're in good company!

@codrusofathens Haha, thanks for mentioning this. Yes, it feels like when the classic painters faced photography and new art movement like expressionism, impressionism, etc... started to exist. Maybe I'm just revisiting this unconsciously, 150 years later.

@davidrevoy mais c'est de la folie ta maitrise. wow.

@f4grx Merci.

@davidrevoy I was thinking this recently with respect to LLMs and text. It can push you to refine what you're doing to be a bit more different and diverse. But there are limits. At what point does your approach, changed to be distinct from AI, stop being your own approach?

@LonM It's an interesting question. I'll probably see that with a bit of temporal distance, when I'll look back at what I'm doing now, if I feel like "oh my... I was really exploring edges of my own style". Because I'm confident time will always 'recenter' my style where it should be. I just hope that I'm closer to it, and not taking distance with it. 🙂

@davidrevoy ... And surely there will be artists who make art by using ML technology. But this does not change that art is more than just the final product.

For example why do I pay for Pepper and Carrot? After all there is already so much stuff readily available online. Well — for one thing because my (by Friday) 5 yo child is a big fan, so I asked him if he wanted to support the comic. But it is also because I care about the process behind it — not the result.

@valentin_petzel I agree.

And thank him very much! Here is a tiny doodle for his birthday:

@davidrevoy This is a very interesting. It does also give some food for thought as well. You know I am a big fan of Light Novel and Manga. There is so many different artists and some different styles. A Light Novel is mostly literary but features some illustrations that feature some scenes here and there.

For some modern stuff the illustrations in books, manga and anime started to look very same-y to me. This likely is not the case, but there is that modern style especially in anime that makes one show kinda look like the next.

@davidrevoy When you hit send way to early... Anyway back to the point.

Maybe you know what I am talking about. But that "normal" style makes stuff outside the box really stand out to me and watch in awe, when an illustrator puts some really unique work.

Two illustrators that really show this are so-bin (Illustrator for Overlord and Blade & Bastard) and lansane (Illustrator for Min-Maxing my TRPG Build in another world)

so-bins stuff looks more like a painting than an illustration for a Light Novel especially the colored ones are just gorgeous to look at.

lansane is interesting as well festuring a pretty distict (to me) artstyle sometimes with very thick almost sketch-like lines combined with the use of raster foils typically used in manga.

I can post some examples as well later if you like a look at what I try to describe by words here.

@davidrevoy This is not specific to AI, since 2000 there is a large standardisation movement in arts in general. It's really noticeable in music.

My position is if you want something that sounds/looks like everything else you should definitly use an AI or use the work of someone who likes to make standardized art.
I don't really like to make standardized music so I mostly don't do any. And I think it's fine, there is room for any kind of art in the world.
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@davidrevoy This is so cool! The trick there of getting the shape right in black and white first before adding colour through filter(?) layers is such a neat idea!

Drawing people is very difficult for me atm, so always interested in learning new tricks.

Great artwork - thanks so much for sharing with all of us <3

@sbrl Thanks! Yes, the workflow is really similar to the one I introduced into this old tutorial https://www.davidrevoy.com/article185/tutorial-getting-started-with-krita-1-3-bw-portrait if it can help.

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@valentin_petzel 😍 😍 😍 Bravo!