So far the news about the RX 9070 XT seems pretty sweet. If it really ends up selling for $600 and performing slightly below the 5070 Ti, that'd be amazing.

Actually excited for benchmarks to drop for once

@quad Jup will be interesting to see. Maybe I can built someone a somewhat decently priced PC with that one

@quad cautiously optimistic here as well, depends on how many MSRP GPUs there are and if the stock levels can be kept without things going to scalpers

@stefan If the thing actually sells for $600, we might finally return to the point where $1000 lets you build a decent new system, rather than basically being the minimum cost for a gaming system.

@quad I tried checking the 5070 ti pricing to know what to compare it to

But I suppose nvidia decided that it's simply priceless

@ivesen either non-existant or listed as backordered for 16 000kr+ lmao. Meanwhile my 11 499kr rx 7900 xtx tangos with it in benchmarks.

@quad exactly. Though pricing in Europe will be fucked again. More for you than for me but still it might be cool. Though I could nvidia just doing what they always do and slash prices on the 5070(ti) if needed

@mikoto @quad
btw. if their first-party benchmarks are to be believed, the "high end" they decided to "abandon" was the segment where they never had any GPUs anyway?

@wolf480pl @quad usually they'd have something that's competitive with at least the *80 stuff form Nvidia. The 7900 XTX was positioned against the RTX 4080 for instance

@stefan well, prices typically aren't that bad for common stuff like cpus and gpus. It's the niche stuff that's got horrid pricing here. For example, if you want a particular case, it might only be carried by a single retailer so they can price it at whatever they want.

I assume 9070 XT pricing won't be too far off from US price + VAT.

@wolf480pl @quad to be fair, this is not the first time they "abandoned the high end", see the RX 480/580 and the HD 3000 series for other such cases

@quad I see thats nice to hear tbh. Looking forward to those benchmarks. It will be a struggle to spec out a PC again though for someone I know.

@wolf480pl @mikoto i'm literally posting this from a 7900 XTX.

Stop comparing everything to Nvidia, high-end doesn't mean 5090, every card at or close to $1000 should be considered pretty friggin high-end.

The 5090 is a halo product, the 5080 is already well inside high-end range

@mikoto @quad
I think I've seen 480/580 referred to as sth legendary, but was it legendarily good or legendarily stupid?

@wolf480pl @quad it was a good value for the price, at least during the first year it was out and once the 2017-2018 mining bubble crashed

@wolf480pl @mikoto Legendarily good value. Their price per fps was insane. And honestly I still unsure if anything has them beat in value, they're just getting a bit too weak for more demanding games.

@quad @wolf480pl I consider the *90 stuff basically the new Titan line, stuff that's ridiculously expensive

@wolf480pl @mikoto (Also it is STILL legendary among Linux users, because of god-tier driver support, even compared to most other AMD cards. Wouldn't surprise me if amdgpu and distros contain more RX 580 specific fixes than any other AMD card)

@quad @wolf480pl it's a shame there hasn't been a modern counterpart that fit into the price range it once occupied

Something that can run most games decently well at mid-high graphics and doesn't cost an arm and leg

@mikoto @quad
the "only buy this if your GPU makes money" type of stuff, right?

@wolf480pl @quad more or less or if you have more money than sense

@quad @wolf480pl these days though it does feel like RDNA's gotten more attention than the GCN stuff, heard about there being bugs for Polaris for years with no real fix in sight

Meanwhile the RX 6800 XT I have has gotten more stable over time, though I'll bet it'll start to bitrot in a couple of years once UDNA comes out

@mikoto @quad
which means AMD "abandoning the high end" is usually a good sign, right?

@wolf480pl @quad wouldn't say "good sign" but it's not like the end of the world either

@quad @mikoto

That's why I put "high end" in quotes - for me, a 500 USD GPU already sounds like a high end.

Also

5900 XT -> 6900 XT -> 7900 XT -> 5070 XT

7900 XTX was a one-off, right?

@wolf480pl @mikoto
>7900 XTX was a one-off, right?

Yes. AMD typically stops at X900, which competes with Nvidia's X080

The 7900 XTX was their first attempt to compete with the X090 range. But they failed. (There was supposed to be a 7950 and 7990 with higher clocks, which were the actual competitors)

As far as I understood the chips couldn't achieve the results needed to compete with a 4090. So instead of the 7950 and 7990, they sold that failure off as a 7900 XTX instead.

That's how I understood the history at least. You can still find techpowerup pages for the unreleased 7950 and 7990 cards. The 7900 XTX was never supposed to exist, it's the failed remains of their attempt to make a 7950 and 7990. This is probably also the exact reason they decided to abandon the high-end, they tried in the 7000 generation and failed.

@wolf480pl @mikoto
TL;DR: AMD tried to make 7950 and 7990 to compete with 4090. They failed. The RX 7900 XTX is the leftover pieces of that attempt. This failure is probably a contributor to them deciding to abandon the high-end as well.

@quad @wolf480pl eh the 6900 XT was actually quite competitive with the 3090 aside from raytracing, same with the 6950 XT vs 3090 Ti

Really almost felt like the days of the HD 7970 going head to head against the GTX 680 back in 2012

@mikoto @wolf480pl
>not like the end of the world either
Only for high-rollers on Linux.

The mid-range is way more important for consumers.
And low-end cards, but that product category is currently basically dead. low-end to this day basically still means "just ship it with an old GTX 1650". Hopefully that can also be revived soon

@mikoto @wolf480pl Yeah, the 6950 was attempt 1. It was way closer to being a proper 3090 competitor.

The 7950/7990 was just the first time they straight up failed, and hence seemingly gave up.

They got close with the 6950, but in the end they never quite caught up to Nvidia's 90 cards. And after they faceplanted with the 7000 series, they apparently decided it wasn't even worth attempting anymore.

@quad @wolf480pl yeah I was trying to say that the mid range focus is what matters more here.

And yeah the low end does need more stuff. Would be nice to have one of those cards that uses just PCIe slot power for things like transcoding or light gaming. Feel this has largely died out thanks to APUs though.

@mikoto @wolf480pl I REALLY want some low-profile card to come back, so we can revive the trick of buying an old office PC and sticking a cheap GPU in it.

God bless AMD if they make some RX 9040 for $100 or whatever (Without hampering its interface like the RX 6400) which is available in a low-profile variant.

But for now, let's hope they manage to fix the mid-range first, then we can worry about the low-end after.

@quad @wolf480pl you can get pretty close with the low end arc stuff, but well... it's intel arc

@mikoto @wolf480pl Honestly would be great if only you could find them at their intended price.

Also the only card I think I've seen low-profile is the A380, which is so weak it can barely catch up to the RX 6400. (It does have 6GB of VRAM instead of 4GB though, which is very nice).

And of course, the A380 also goes for around the same price as an RX 6400. Which isn't good because the RX 6400 has always kind been laughed at for it's god awful value, you only buy one if you have no other choice. An RX 6600 will give you 100% more performance for like 40% more price.

@quad @wolf480pl yeah I paid too much for my arc a380 for my server, only reason I even bothered is cause intel is generally at the top for GPU transcoding without shelling out even more for a quadro. Would have never bought it for just gaming.

Hope if intel makes a b380 or whatever it's better value and actually more widely available at the intended price point.

@mikoto @wolf480pl Really for the low-profile use value isn't a massive concern, it just has to be cheap and at least powerful enough to run the basics.

The A380 goes for 2000kr (~170 EUR) in Norway.

Meanwhile the legandary RX 580 launched for around 200 EUR in 2017, has 8GB of VRAM and performs better. At the used market you can probably find it sub 100 EUR too (especially if you settle for an RX 570).

The A380 is so godawful for gaming that it handily loses to an 8 year old mid-range card which no longer gets full driver support when measuring any variable besides power draw and thermals.

Current low-end cards are a joke, the A380 should be no more than 100 EUR at retail before it's worth it for any gaming use.

It's honestly GT 1030 tier trash, it should only be used if you're desperate for display outputs or gpu accel for some basic video work or rendering.

@mikoto @quad
Meanwhile I think it'd be nice if they got something good in the 200-300$ range.

I can get a RX 6700 XT for ~230 USD + VAT,
RTX 3070 for ~250 USD + VAT,
wouldn't mind if there were newer cards competing with those.

@wolf480pl @mikoto
>I can get a RX 6700 XT for ~230 USD + VAT

You lucky fuck with access to decent markets.

The RX 6700 XT brand new is long-since off the market in Norway and I can't get a new one most places. The ones with leftover stock are listing them at abusive prices anywhere from 800 EUR to 2000 EUR.

Meanwhile a used 6700 XT goes for approx. 400 EUR

@quad @mikoto
I meant used but like

holy shit your used market is insane

@wolf480pl @mikoto To make matters worse we don't pay VAT. We have no site like ebay where you pay with a card and the site handles payment. You just chat with the seller and do some form of direct payment, craigslist style.

So the 400 EUR doesn't even contain any VAT lmao

@quad @mikoto
Back in high school I thought I'm gonna emigrate to Norway after university. Glad I didn't.

@wolf480pl @mikoto It's okay here. But as a tech nerd it sucks.

Only tech products which are relatively normie are sold here, any enthusiast product typically has to be imported at extravagant cost, and our used market is absolutely balls.

So while Norway is good, it doesn't collaborate with my hobby whatsoever

@wolf480pl @mikoto I mean to this day there isn't even an official way to get a Steam deck here.

And unlike switzerland we only have a country to the east and no decent train network, so I can't just hop to sweden to buy one unless i already live around Oslo.

It's so annoying that at points I have genuinely considered moving to Finland, only so I can get a hold of my fucking tech products.

@quad @mikoto
I don't think I'm "enthusiast" in the sense of buying the latest stuff and being early adopter, but I certainly do enjoy a trickle-down of second-hand hardware that the cool kids (or enterprises) no longer want

@mikoto @wolf480pl Whenever I want anything slightly nerdy like my analogue pocket, my steam deck, or until recently my fairphone, i have to go through import hell and pay lots of extra for overpriced norwegian shipping and stupid fees.

Being a tech nerd is already an expensive hobby, but I can only buy a third of the things I want here, the second third I have to import and costs me like 50% extra, and the last third just refuses to ship to norway because we're not EU enough

@quad @mikoto F

@wolf480pl @mikoto wanna swap? poles like working in norway right? i'll go to poland you come to norway

@quad @mikoto
chyba cię kurwa pojebało xD

@wolf480pl @mikoto kurwa