So much Obsidian hate on the TL

None of you got the physical edition of 'Öffentliche Meinung und Sozialer Wandel' for it containing the original untranslated german 'Kommunikation mit Zettelkästen' by Niklas Luhmann and it shows!!!!

@desea any good key insights?

zettelkasten as it's described on the internet sounds perfect for like, a middle sized library operated by one researcher but not for my notes on how to write code

@pasty uuh this was mostly meanta s a shitpost, i found it interesting enough on its own that i wanted to get the bits that would get lost in translation also

ay insights i have would be from trying itmyself and that is a struggle because im not very consistent

@desea why are ppl hating on obsidian?

@utz mostly a shitpost in response to someone posting this image

@desea @utz Meanwhile I sat here thinking, what is desea going on. I did not know Obsidian (the game) was so hated...

@desea@akko.cuddlegirls.cafe i own a few pieces of obsidian i think they are pretty rocks

@desea @utz shitpost or not I don't trust any proprietary software by a private company that exploits user data, especially a personal knowledge base writing app that functions as a "second brain", founded by people who worked at Silicon Valley companies (Dropbox, LinkedIn, and Quizlet). Dropbox is a surveillance nightmare cloud service, and LinkedIn is...the PayPalantir mafia's networking monopoly turning the job market into an extremely surveilled algorithmic hellscape. Obsidian uses e2e encryption, but being closed source no one except the audit firm the company hires can independently verify or assess it. even if they can't access users' files, their privacy policy states they collect personal information for "performing statistical analyses of user behaviour and characteristics, in order to measure interest in and use of the various sections of this site so as to improve design and navigation and to gather marketing information" ("site" probably means their website not the app, but their policy doesn't make a clear distinction. either way that's a deal-breaking red flag). there are open source alternatives, maybe try those instead.

@realpetrateal @utz hey if it was up to me id use the OG Zettelkasten with physical paper but im nowhere near as good

@desea @realpetrateal I've actually started using a box of cards for notes and I only found out about Luhmann's system today because of this thread, I've just been going alphabetical, which I see now is a rookie mistake.. gotta come up with my own method now tho I'm afraid...

@utz @realpetrateal wouldnt coming up with your own benefit from knowing what others did even if its just to avoid their failings?

@desea @realpetrateal absolutely! there seems to be a lot of thinking to do now, about the logic and possibilities of physical, card based note taking. looking through the archive of Luhmann's actual zettelkasten, which amazingly exists, is gonna be useful

@utz @realpetrateal oh sick, if you have it open still mind passing me it?

@desea @realpetrateal ofc! https://niklas-luhmann-archiv.de/bestand/zettelkasten/suche

@utz @desea @realpetrateal funny that I see this thread because I started using org-roam again last night which is an implementation of zettelkasten